Kam až budú rásť akcie Tesly, alebo kam klesnú?

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Dnes sa deju velke veci, Elon prave oznamil na Twitteri ze zvazuje predaj Tesly za 420USD/akciu (co znaci v sumare okolo 70 milard dolarov). Vraj uz ma peniaze zabezpecene.
Akcie na to zareagovali brutalnym vystrelom smerom hore, som zvedavy, ako sa to bude vyvijat.
 
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Trhová manipulácia, stopnuté obchodovanie. Keď to robia médiá tak Musk prská, že manipulujú trhom. Keď to robí sám je to férové.... IMHO Elon si dobabral za dva mesiace aké také renomé (ponorka, pedofil, teraz toto)

Odhliadnuc od všetkého mu išlo len o pomstu a krv shorterov. Ak 420 myslel vážne tak pľuvanec do ksichtu všetkým drobným investorom a už to nezachránia ani fondy a podobné bláboly.
 
Elon chce predať Teslu niekomu, kto sa o ňu "postará"?
 
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jux
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Predat nie je spravne slovo: Svojich 20% si Elon necha a kto chce predat svoje akcie tesly po 420, ten moze, kto nechce nemusi. Elon ma investora co akcie odkupi a TSLA odide z burzy.
 
Kedysi hovoril, ze ked ked sa uspesne rozbehne produkcia M3, uz nebude na cele Tesly... mozno prisiel ten cas.
 
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Pridavam dnesny priebeh kurzu tsla
 
ICE666SVK
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jux
jux komentoval
Yahoo nekresli aftermarket.
 
Vlado
Vlado komentoval
Ja používam NYSE, ale bol som zvedavý z kade to sleduje jux, tak som sa opýtal
Jáj ale banujem že som tie akcie nekúpil keď boli za 290 :/ čakal že ešte trochu padnú a vtedy prikúpim, a bola to chyba
 
Elon:
Earlier today, I announced that I’m considering taking Tesla private at a price of $420/share. I wanted to let you know my rationale for this, and why I think this is the best path forward.

First, a final decision has not yet been made, but the reason for doing this is all about creating the environment for Tesla to operate best. As a public company, we are subject to wild swings in our stock price that can be a major distraction for everyone working at Tesla, all of whom are shareholders. Being public also subjects us to the quarterly earnings cycle that puts enormous pressure on Tesla to make decisions that may be right for a given quarter, but not necessarily right for the long-term. Finally, as the most shorted stock in the history of the stock market, being public means that there are large numbers of people who have the incentive to attack the company.

I fundamentally believe that we are at our best when everyone is focused on executing, when we can remain focused on our long-term mission, and when there are not perverse incentives for people to try to harm what we’re all trying to achieve.

This is especially true for a company like Tesla that has a long-term, forward-looking mission. SpaceX is a perfect example: it is far more operationally efficient, and that is largely due to the fact that it is privately held. This is not to say that it will make sense for Tesla to be private over the long-term. In the future, once Tesla enters a phase of slower, more predictable growth, it will likely make sense to return to the public markets.

Here’s what I envision being private would mean for all shareholders, including all of our employees.

First, I would like to structure this so that all shareholders have a choice. Either they can stay investors in a private Tesla or they can be bought out at $420 per share, which is a 20% premium over the stock price following our Q2 earnings call (which had already increased by 16%). My hope is for all shareholders to remain, but if they prefer to be bought out, then this would enable that to happen at a nice premium.

Second, my intention is for all Tesla employees to remain shareholders of the company, just as is the case at SpaceX. If we were to go private, employees would still be able to periodically sell their shares and exercise their options. This would enable you to still share in the growing value of the company that you have all worked so hard to build over time.

Third, the intention is not to merge SpaceX and Tesla. They would continue to have separate ownership and governance structures. However, the structure envisioned for Tesla is similar in many ways to the SpaceX structure: external shareholders and employee shareholders have an opportunity to sell or buy approximately every six months.

Finally, this has nothing to do with accumulating control for myself. I own about 20% of the company now, and I don’t envision that being substantially different after any deal is completed.

Basically, I’m trying to accomplish an outcome where Tesla can operate at its best, free from as much distraction and short-term thinking as possible, and where there is as little change for all of our investors, including all of our employees, as possible.

This proposal to go private would ultimately be finalized through a vote of our shareholders. If the process ends the way I expect it will, a private Tesla would ultimately be an enormous opportunity for all of us. Either way, the future is very bright and we’ll keep fighting to achieve our mission.

Thanks, Elon​
 
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V aftermarkete este lezie hore
 
jux
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Nazyvat zamer odist z burzy svinstvom je prilis silne slovo. Stale mas na vyber: bud predas za 420 co je pre kazdeho veeelmi dobry zisk, alebo si ich nechas spolu so vsetkym co to znamena. Ja osobne by som bol radsej, keby bola dolezitost akciovych trhov na svetovu ekonomiku podstatne mensia, resp by som bol radsej, keby sa z burzy vytratili dolezite firmy. Akciove trhy su len hra - hra s velkymi peniazmi, ked uz takmer nikto nevytvara relane hodnoty, ale len spekuluje. Povodny zamer akciovych trhov - zdruzovania prostriedkov na podnikanie sa stava vedlajsim a to je zle. Necudujem sa Elonovi, ze sa mu nepaci, ked sa akcie TSLA stali najviac shortovanymi a chce z toho blaznovstva vycuvat.
 
Jiri GrandPa
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110% pravda. Ja robim pre relativne malu ale nadnarodnu firmu kotovanu na burze a niekedy sa nestacim cudovat ake kratkozrake (=s kratkodobym efektom) rozhodnutia smerovania firmy management robi (na ukor dlhododbejsej strategie) LEN aby sa zapacili Walll Streetu a akcie isli hore (alebo aspon nepadli).
Uplne chore, v tomto na Musk plnu pravdu.
 
ICE666SVK
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Najlepsim prikladom je co sa tika Tesly je pomoc pre Filipinskych chlpacov co boli v jaskyny. EM bol odmietnuty a povedal co si mysli a oni povedali jemu co si myslia. To nemalo z Teslou nic spolocne a akcie sa prepadli. Nebol nato dovod. A predca sa to stalo.
 
Takze Tesla ostava na burze.



Staying Public

Elon Musk 24 augustus 2018
Earlier this month, I announced that I was considering taking Tesla private. As part of the process, it was important to understand whether our current investors believed this would be a good strategic move and whether they would want to participate in a private Tesla.
Our investors are extremely important to me. Almost all have stuck with us from the time we went public in 2010 when we had no cars in production and only a vision of what we wanted to be. They believe strongly in our mission to advance sustainable energy and care deeply about our success.
I worked with Silver Lake, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, who have world-class expertise in these matters, to consider the many factors that would come into play in taking Tesla private, and to process all the incoming interest that we received from investors to fund a go-private transaction. I also spent considerable time listening to current shareholders, large and small, to understand what they think would be in the best long-term interests of Tesla.
Based on all the discussions that have taken place over the last couple of weeks and a thorough consideration of what is best for the company, a few things are clear to me:
  • Given the feedback I’ve received, it’s apparent that most of Tesla’s existing shareholders believe we are better off as a public company. Additionally, a number of institutional shareholders have explained that they have internal compliance issues that limit how much they can invest in a private company. There is also no proven path for most retail investors to own shares if we were private. Although the majority of shareholders I spoke to said they would remain with Tesla if we went private, the sentiment, in a nutshell, was “please don’t do this.”
  • I knew the process of going private would be challenging, but it’s clear that it would be even more time-consuming and distracting than initially anticipated. This is a problem because we absolutely must stay focused on ramping Model 3 and becoming profitable. We will not achieve our mission of advancing sustainable energy unless we are also financially sustainable.
  • That said, my belief that there is more than enough funding to take Tesla private was reinforced during this process.
After considering all of these factors, I met with Tesla’s Board of Directors yesterday and let them know that I believe the better path is for Tesla to remain public. The Board indicated that they agree.
Moving forward, we will continue to focus on what matters most: building products that people love and that make a difference to the shared future of life on Earth. We’ve shown that we can make great sustainable energy products, and we now need to show that we can be sustainably profitable. With all the progress we’ve made on Model 3, we’re positioned to do this, and that’s what the team and I are going to be putting all of our efforts toward.
Thank you to all of our investors, customers and employees for the support you’ve given our company. I’m incredibly excited to continue leading Tesla as a public company. It is a privilege.
 
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Ako sa píše, že kvôli ohlásenému EQC klesla Tesla alebo "10 miliárd na zničenie Tesly", čo sú náklady na vývoj Mercedesu, klesli akcie pod 300 USD.
Čo si myslíte, ako klesnú pri ohlásení Audi e-Tron, ktoré bude vo všetkých podstatných vlastnostiach (dojazd, palubná nabíjačka, veľkosť baterky) lepšie ? Je rozumné teraz kupovať akcie alebo ešte po 19.9. klesnú ?
 
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ozana
ozana komentoval
Muskovy tweety mají na kurz větší vliv než nějaký eTron.

A vždy se doporučuje investovat průběžně (Dollar-Cost Averaging).
 
To MR: RSI slabne a slabne, rozhodne by som pockal na to Aprilove cislo a mozno sa ide otestovat EMA 200 na tyzdennom grafe to k tomu speje. Pred mesiacom Musk manipuloval trhom tak ten mu to teraz vracia. Daj si target 15-20% a bavkaj sa s tym. Mne svedkovia Muskovovi platia druhy rok dovolenky a som im za to vdacny. Z dlhodobeho hladiska (2-3r) nevidim v tom zmysel. Tesla bude marginalny hrac na trhu a tomu bude zodpovedat aj hodnota akcii. Mokré sny o Amazonoch su utópia. A tebou spomínané fundamenty sú teraz veľmi proti TSLA.
Nejedná sa o finančné poradenstvo, investujte len po vlastnom zvážení.
 

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terry komentoval
Sorry, zabudol som skontrolovat Muskov twitter :)
 
Jiri GrandPa
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Ta prva veta je po slovensky ;-)? To bude nejaka tajna rec "strihacov kuponov" ako nas ucil Marx.
 
Jiri GrandPa
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Ani nevies, ako by bolo super, keby bola Tesla marginalny hrac na trhu. To by znamenalo, ze Elonov plan vysiel. Obavam sa, ze este vela vody v Dunaji pretecie kym to nastane.
 
Kto chce kupit akcie tesly, rychlo kupujte, 270.
 
Vlado
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Ja som tiež nakupil, síce som už nechcel ale za 270, no nekup. V pondelok by mohli byť dané údaje o produkcii, a teda by akcie mohli stúpať. Dúfajme :)
 
Jiri GrandPa
Jiri GrandPa komentoval
Vidim, ze my, Svedkovia Elonovi, sme nenapravitelni optimisti. Tiez som prikupil zopar odpustkov...
 
Miroslav Rojko
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Ja tiež čakám na prevod, až nabehne obchodníkovi, podobne ako niektorí a dúfam, že výsledky firmy za 3.Q. oznámia až po otvorení burzy a stihnem dokúpiť ešte za tú cenu ako vy ostatní. Lebo minule - pred dvoma týždäami ako som deň čakal na prevod, kupoval som po 283, nie po 263 ako bolo jeden deň klesnuté.
 
Takze mimosudna dohoda:
Elon na 3 roky nebude predseda spravnej rady (na elektreku to mal povodne zle)
Poziciu CEO si vykupil pokutou:
Tesla 20mil pokuta
Musk 20mil pokuta
peniaze budu rozdelene investorom, ktori boli poskodeni
  • Musk will step down as Tesla’s Chairman and be replaced by an independent Chairman. Musk will be ineligible to be re-elected Chairman for three years;
  • Tesla will appoint a total of two new independent directors to its board;
  • Tesla will establish a new committee of independent directors and put in place additional controls and procedures to oversee Musk’s communications;
  • Musk and Tesla will each pay a separate $20 million penalty. The $40 million in penalties will be distributed to harmed investors under a court-approved process.
 
Naposledy upravené:
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kayle komentoval
Nie som znalý pomerov, aby som vedel či mal SEC šancu na súde uspieť, ale možno zohral úlohu aj fakt, že by sa súd určite nejakú dobu ťahal a hádzalo by to nie dobré svetlo na Teslu v čase keď začína model 3 sekať ako ako Baťa cvičky. :)
Tu je napr. aj názor bývalého právnika zo SEC, že to bolo prehnané súdiť ho za podvod. https://www.businessinsider.com/sec-wrong-to-sue-elon-musk-for-fraud-lawyer-2018-9
Ale koniec koncov, to že bude musieť Elon o 3 sekundy viac rozmýšľať čo hodí na twitter, môže byť k prospechu veci.
 
matchke
matchke komentoval
Vrso ved to poznas. Jedna slovenska skupina raz spievala. "Tak utnite mu hlavuuu, nech nevycnieva z raduuu."
 
jux
jux komentoval
Ja to vidim tak, ze SEC rubal privysoko a je rad, ze to bolo zahrate do stratena. SEC asi staci, ze takto zrejme pomohol zopar spriatelenym shorterom, ktori vedeli ako to skonci - jednoducho iny druh manipulacie trhom.
 
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Miroslav Rojko
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tiež som doobeda zistil, že kvôli medzibankovému prevodu som už zasa prišiel o niekoľko tisíc €

musím nechať vklad u obchodníka, aj keď neviem či ešte bude príležitosť - lebo keď ohlási výsledky za 3.Q., tak to asi poletí ešte vyššie
 
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Jo, ja tiez. Hlavne ze som si uz 2 tyzdne hovoril, ze to do fio musim previest. Nabehli dnes pred obedom a to uz bolo neskoro... Myslim, ze 260 bola hodnota, ktora uz asi nikdy nebude... skoda, mohlo byt FSD zadarmo ;-)
 
275
 
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jux
jux komentoval
Zreme posledna sanca relativne lacno kupit.
 
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jeeff komentoval
Mam target na 270, ale asi to nevydrzim a dnes po otvoreni ho upravim, lebo ako pises, tiez si myslim, ze to je posledna sanca kupit "za lacno".
 
Miroslav Rojko
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Mne na target 280 sa to zrealizovalo uz vcera o 18:15, ale moc nebanujem, lebo po otvoreni trhov to vzdy trocha povyskoci a 275 by som dnes asi nedosiahol. Ved to (preco aj akcie padli), ze sa Elon pustil do SEC s poznamkou na twitter o podpore short-sellerov sa neda brat ako ovplyvnovanie trhu z jeho pozicie a nehrozia nejake sankcie.
 
Tu je podrobna analyza na cleantechnica, ktora predpokladaeste este optimistickejsi vyvoj ak tvrdi bankar:Saxo hore.
Aj ked je jasne, ze cleantechnica bude vzdy vyvoj Tesly prikraskolat....
Este doznieva nepodarena akcia SEC-u, cast tlace ju prezentuje ako prehru Muska a Tesly, pricom Musk akciu s minimalnymi nakladmi poslal mimo hry a pomohol SEC-u aby si zachoval tvar, co si nabuduce vyberie aj s urokami.
Onedlho uz vecsina pochopi a akcie pojdu hore.
Teraz je uz sanca na krach Tesly minimalna.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/04/tesla-q3-financials-my-99-6-accurate-delivery-estimate/
 
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Len na odlahcenie situacie, toto ma fakt pobavilo :cool:
 

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260. Niekedy by to chcelo mat kristalovu gulu :).
 
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Z pohľadu TA: Spodná hrana BB prvý krát po 18stich mesiacoch pod EMA 200. Očakávam do stredy test spodnej hrany. Stačí knôt na daily sviečke. Dôležité je, že weekly zavrela nad EMOU a to je teraz rozhodujúce. Nedá sa niečo (EMA) donekonečna testovať, raz sa to prerazí a stane sa to silnou rezistenciou. Ešte by som upriamil pozornost na MFI, je na najnižšej úrovni od začiatku roku 2017. Weekly stále takpovediac drží, ale ak nedajbože zavrie pod EMOU tak TSLA pri súčasnom trende MFI zletí k 200 USD len také fukoty.
 

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Jiri GrandPa
Jiri GrandPa komentoval
To je po slovensky :-)?
 
ICE666SVK
ICE666SVK komentoval
Tu mas vysvetlene skratky nastuduj.

TA = Technicka Analyza.
Trendove indikatory tam ma dva: BB = Bollinger Bands (20, close 2) https://trading11.com/bollinger-bands-indikator/
EMA = Exponential Moving Average (200, close) klzavy priemer https://www.financnik.cz/wiki/exponential_moving_average

Objemove indikatory su tam tiez dva: MFI = Money Flow Index (14) na spodku grafu https://www.financnik.cz/komodity/findikatory/money-flow-index.html
Vol = Volume https://www.financnik.cz/komodity/fin_obchod/volume.html

S/R levels, alebo urovne supportu a resistence https://www.financnik.cz/komodity/fin_home/sr_urovne.html

BBcko ma hornu a dolnu hranu a stred. Horna je na hodnote 365.9305 stredna to je ta hneda ciara je na hodnote 308.5755 a spodna hrana, ktoru spomina terry je na hodnote 252.0205. EMA je na hodnote 260.7778. Samozrejme tieto hodnoty sa prepocitavaju a stale menia ked je trh otvoreny. MFI zelena ciara pod grafom je na hodnote 35.7475. Na grafe vidno, ze cca 2-3 mesiac v 2017 a 4 mesiac v 2018 to testovalo hranicu cca 240 a nieco a pod nu neslo. Co znamena, ze je to silny support. Otazka je do kedy. A potom je tam ten predpokladany scenar terry ho
Na grafe vidis aj poslednu hodnoty sviecky OHLC O=OPEN, H=HIGH, L=LOW, C=Close Cize cena pri otvoreni trhu bola O305.77 cez otvorenu seansu vystupila najvyssie na H316.84 a klesla najnizsie na L260.00 a nakoniec uzavrela na C261.95
 
No a mame momentalne 253 - ked niekto nestihol naposledy, tak teraz je tu dalsia sanca na nakup a este za nizsiu cenu. Len je otazne, ci to nebude padat aj dalej, kedze Elonovi uz zacina podla mna trochu prepinat.
"Shortseller Enrichment Commission" je sice celkom trefne a vtipne pomenovanie.. Ale v danej situacii, ked uz v podstate bolo vsetko ok a stacilo len mlcat a sustredit sa na produkciu a dalsie plany do buducna, to zbytocne prinieslo dalsie iskry do pomaly zhasinajuceho ohna a teraz je vsetko este horsie ako predtym.

Galileo Russell to dobre vystihol vo svojom odkaze Elonovi, uplne suhlasim so vsetkym v jeho videu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp2SMW8AYJk
 
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Jiri GrandPa
Jiri GrandPa komentoval
Uz sme pod 250.
 
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